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	<title>Comments on: The Mobile Web and the &#8216;mdot&#8217; solution</title>
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	<description>this is my happy place</description>
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		<title>By: Giff Gfroerer, i2SMS</title>
		<link>http://whatleydude.com/2007/12/the_mobile_web_and_the_m_solution/comment-page-1/#comment-1607</link>
		<dc:creator>Giff Gfroerer, i2SMS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What really needs to be done is to make this simple for the end user.  The end user should not have to remember m.site or mobile.site or site.mobile.  The end user should simply be able to type in what they already understand and are comfortable with&#8230;.  simply type in <a href="http://www.site.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.site.com</a>.</p>
<p>What the site needs to do is know that the user is coming from a mobile device by detecting the device.  Then, the site needs to serve up the appropriate page under m.site.com to the user, thus not making the user have to think.  Obviously, the site also needs to:</p>
<p>1) Make Relevant information easy to find – spend resources on ease of navigation<br />
2) Keep Content To A Minimum<br />
3) Make a Familiar and Non-Threatening Path to the Information<br />
4) The Information Must Appear Correctly the First Time<br />
5) And Lastly, Test, Test and Re-test!  (Use a full lab of mobile devices to see what your customers are seeing!)</p>
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		<title>By: SMS Text News &#187; Archives &#187; Mobile Photo Uploads Getting Easier</title>
		<link>http://whatleydude.com/2007/12/the_mobile_web_and_the_m_solution/comment-page-1/#comment-1606</link>
		<dc:creator>SMS Text News &#187; Archives &#187; Mobile Photo Uploads Getting Easier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has finally launched its own mobile site, and Whatley will be pleased that you can access it at m.photobucket.com. The mobile site offers access to your own photos, as [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has finally launched its own mobile site, and Whatley will be pleased that you can access it at m.photobucket.com. The mobile site offers access to your own photos, as [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Lane</title>
		<link>http://whatleydude.com/2007/12/the_mobile_web_and_the_m_solution/comment-page-1/#comment-1605</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe I missed Jay&#039;s point in my previous analysis... damn my globalist ways!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe I missed Jay&#8217;s point in my previous analysis&#8230; damn my globalist ways!!!</p>
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		<title>By: James Whatley</title>
		<link>http://whatleydude.com/2007/12/the_mobile_web_and_the_m_solution/comment-page-1/#comment-1604</link>
		<dc:creator>James Whatley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jay - That&#039;s a fantastic point which is very well made.

And I must admit, something I hadn&#039;t even thought about.

Nice work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jay &#8211; That&#8217;s a fantastic point which is very well made.</p>
<p>And I must admit, something I hadn&#8217;t even thought about.</p>
<p>Nice work.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Fenton</title>
		<link>http://whatleydude.com/2007/12/the_mobile_web_and_the_m_solution/comment-page-1/#comment-1603</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Fenton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 00:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we&#039;re undo-ing a lot of what made the Internet as intuitive as it is today by going down the .mobi path.

Take a global brand, someone like Pepsi. They&#039;ve built themselves up by being locale specific with regards to their promotions, and websites etc. - if I&#039;m French, i&#039;d go to http://ww.pepsi.fr/, if i&#039;m Dutch, http://www.pepsi.nl/ and so on.

How are they supposed to accomplish this with .mobi? Is it http://fr.pepsi.mobi/?

http://m.pepsi.fr/ is far more intuitive, works with the exising TLD infrastructure, and costs no additional money for the registrant. So why anyone would even think of using .mobi is beyond me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#8217;re undo-ing a lot of what made the Internet as intuitive as it is today by going down the .mobi path.</p>
<p>Take a global brand, someone like Pepsi. They&#8217;ve built themselves up by being locale specific with regards to their promotions, and websites etc. &#8211; if I&#8217;m French, i&#8217;d go to <a href="http://ww.pepsi.fr/" rel="nofollow">http://ww.pepsi.fr/</a>, if i&#8217;m Dutch, <a href="http://www.pepsi.nl/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pepsi.nl/</a> and so on.</p>
<p>How are they supposed to accomplish this with .mobi? Is it <a href="http://fr.pepsi.mobi/?" rel="nofollow">http://fr.pepsi.mobi/?</a></p>
<p><a href="http://m.pepsi.fr/" rel="nofollow">http://m.pepsi.fr/</a> is far more intuitive, works with the exising TLD infrastructure, and costs no additional money for the registrant. So why anyone would even think of using .mobi is beyond me.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Smith</title>
		<link>http://whatleydude.com/2007/12/the_mobile_web_and_the_m_solution/comment-page-1/#comment-1602</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ali: Firmware 1.1.3 appears to have this feature.  See:http://www.gearlive.com/news/article/q407-iphone-113-firmware-feature-gallery/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ali: Firmware 1.1.3 appears to have this feature.  See:<a href="http://www.gearlive.com/news/article/q407-iphone-113-firmware-feature-gallery/" rel="nofollow">http://www.gearlive.com/news/article/q407-iphone-113-firmware-feature-gallery/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ali</title>
		<link>http://whatleydude.com/2007/12/the_mobile_web_and_the_m_solution/comment-page-1/#comment-1601</link>
		<dc:creator>Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there an sms solution for iPhone where you may forward and sms to multiple numbers or may forward sms ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there an sms solution for iPhone where you may forward and sms to multiple numbers or may forward sms ?</p>
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		<title>By: SMS Text News &#187; Archives &#187; Full YouTube On The Nokia N95 8GB</title>
		<link>http://whatleydude.com/2007/12/the_mobile_web_and_the_m_solution/comment-page-1/#comment-1600</link>
		<dc:creator>SMS Text News &#187; Archives &#187; Full YouTube On The Nokia N95 8GB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 23:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] big milestone in bringing the web to handsets, but a step away from the &#8216;mobile web&#8217; as Whatley envisions. This also means that most any flash site can be accessed and fully enjoyed on the Nokia N95 8GB. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] big milestone in bringing the web to handsets, but a step away from the &#8216;mobile web&#8217; as Whatley envisions. This also means that most any flash site can be accessed and fully enjoyed on the Nokia N95 8GB. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James Whatley</title>
		<link>http://whatleydude.com/2007/12/the_mobile_web_and_the_m_solution/comment-page-1/#comment-1599</link>
		<dc:creator>James Whatley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 19:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terence - I am glad you&#039;re here mate.

Nice response.

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terence &#8211; I am glad you&#8217;re here mate.</p>
<p>Nice response.<br />
 <img src='http://whatleydude.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Terence Eden</title>
		<link>http://whatleydude.com/2007/12/the_mobile_web_and_the_m_solution/comment-page-1/#comment-1598</link>
		<dc:creator>Terence Eden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 21:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Speaking for muself, not Vodafone)

James, I have to take issue with your statement - Vodafone users *do* have a choice.

The first time a Vodafone customer tries to access the web, they get asked &quot;do you want Vodafone to adapt pages to better suit your phone?&quot;

The user can, at any time (even as they&#039;re browsing a page) change their transcoding preferences. If the transcoder is screwing up a page, there&#039;s a link at the bottom of the page saying &quot;See Original&quot; or &quot;Unmodified&quot; I forget which.

They can also go to Web Preferences on Vodafone live and permanently change the transcoding options.

The transcoder doesn&#039;t alter mobile friendly pages. Anything on an m. server, .mobi domain, valid xhtml-mp, https sites regulated by the FSA or on a whitelist remain unchanged.

Finally, the user can use a different APN - internet - granted a bit technical for a &quot;normob&quot;.

I think that&#039;s a fair bit of choice. It certainly means that anyone with a crappy old phone on GPRS can visit a lot more websites than they used to.

However, this doesn&#039;t change the fact that transcoding can only ever be a stop-gap solution. One day we&#039;ll all be on UMTS running Webkit / Firefox / Opera. We&#039;ll have lasers beaming 22 inch images directly into our eyeballs. Everyone will be writing valid XHTML / HTML 5.

Until that day, people can access WAP sites, they can access mobile friendly sites, they can access &quot;full fat&quot; sites and, if they choose, have them shrunk to work on their phone.

Blimey, that&#039;s a lot of text to type onto a Blackberry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Speaking for muself, not Vodafone)</p>
<p>James, I have to take issue with your statement &#8211; Vodafone users *do* have a choice.</p>
<p>The first time a Vodafone customer tries to access the web, they get asked &#8220;do you want Vodafone to adapt pages to better suit your phone?&#8221;</p>
<p>The user can, at any time (even as they&#8217;re browsing a page) change their transcoding preferences. If the transcoder is screwing up a page, there&#8217;s a link at the bottom of the page saying &#8220;See Original&#8221; or &#8220;Unmodified&#8221; I forget which.</p>
<p>They can also go to Web Preferences on Vodafone live and permanently change the transcoding options.</p>
<p>The transcoder doesn&#8217;t alter mobile friendly pages. Anything on an m. server, .mobi domain, valid xhtml-mp, https sites regulated by the FSA or on a whitelist remain unchanged.</p>
<p>Finally, the user can use a different APN &#8211; internet &#8211; granted a bit technical for a &#8220;normob&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s a fair bit of choice. It certainly means that anyone with a crappy old phone on GPRS can visit a lot more websites than they used to.</p>
<p>However, this doesn&#8217;t change the fact that transcoding can only ever be a stop-gap solution. One day we&#8217;ll all be on UMTS running Webkit / Firefox / Opera. We&#8217;ll have lasers beaming 22 inch images directly into our eyeballs. Everyone will be writing valid XHTML / HTML 5.</p>
<p>Until that day, people can access WAP sites, they can access mobile friendly sites, they can access &#8220;full fat&#8221; sites and, if they choose, have them shrunk to work on their phone.</p>
<p>Blimey, that&#8217;s a lot of text to type onto a Blackberry!</p>
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